During his latest appearance on CNBC, Interior Secretary Doug Burgum stuck to familiar partisan talking points on clean energy: Solar and wind, the North Dakota Republican claimed, are “unreliable” in part because no one knows “when the wind’s gonna blow” and in part because the sun doesn’t shine “24 hours a day.”
Burgum to CNBC: "The intermittent sources, the unreliable and expensive sources like solar and wind — you don't know when the wind's gonna blow, we do know when the sun is gonna shine and it's not 24 hours a day."
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-09-09T18:44:06.931Z
Late last week, Donald Trump’s Department of Energy (which should probably know a little something about energy) published a similar social media message that read, “Wind and solar energy infrastructure is essentially worthless when it is dark outside, and the wind is not blowing.”
That came on the heels of Energy Secretary Chris Wright pushing the same line during an appearance on Fox Business.
Maria Bartiromo to Energy Secretary Chris Wright: "You've got all these projects which are not necessarily projects that you can rely on. I mean, is the wind blowing? Is the sun shining? And yet hundreds of millions of dollars were going at these projects."
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-09-02T14:16:17.476Z
It’s bizarre how frequently this comes up. Indeed, the president himself has railed against clean energy technology for years, and when targeting solar and wind power, Trump has routinely repeated the same familiar mistake: After sundown or when the wind isn’t blowing, those energy sources are practically useless.
Other Republicans have stuck to the same script. The Washington Post’s Marc Thiessen, George W. Bush’s former chief speechwriter and a Fox News contributor, told a national television audience in July, “Just so people understand: wind and solar only work when there is wind and sun. We don’t have technology to store the energy from wind and solar.”
As we’ve discussed, I can appreciate why rhetoric like this might seem compelling to regular folks who don’t know better. Solar panels generate energy from the sun and turbines generate energy from the wind, so perhaps it’s logical to conclude that clean energy technology is pointless at night and during calm skies.
There’s just one problem: Battery technology exists. As MSNBC host Catherine Rampell explained in a Washington Post column last year:








