During a Fox News interview last week, Donald Trump told Sean Hannity that he recently struggled with a decision about bringing Americans with the coronavirus back to U.S. soil. To hear the president tell it, he “hated to do it statistically,” adding that the question on his mind at the time was, “Is it going to look bad?”
As we discussed soon after, in context, Trump seemed to be suggesting that he had certain talking points he wanted to use and was concerned about ailing American patients messing up his political message.
Late last week, during a visit to the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, the president was even less subtle on this point. As part of a discussion about a cruise ship with Americans on board, Trump told reporters:
“I would rather — because I like the numbers being where they are. I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship…. I’d rather have them stay on [the ship], personally.”
Soon after, a reporter asked the question on the minds of many: wouldn’t it be a mistake to prioritize “attractive numbers” over treating ailing Americans? The president insisted that treatment would be a higher priority than his interest in specific tallies — before quickly adding how much emphasis he places on the numbers.
“I like the numbers. I would rather have the numbers stay where they are. But if [public-health officials] want to take them off [the ship], they’ll take them off. But if that happens, all of a sudden, your 240 is obviously going to be a much higher number, and probably the 11 will be a higher number too.”
It’s easy to imagine an investigative reporter convincing a high-level White House source to leak a devastating anecdote along these lines. “Behind the scenes,” the report would read, “Trump’s principal focus is less on public health and more on political metrics and the impact infection rates have on political talking points.”
Except in this case, there’s no need for an investigative reporter to dig up such a damaging revelation — because Trump is willing to say it out loud, on the record, and on camera, indifferent to how unsettling it is to see a president respond to a crisis this way.








