This is an adapted excerpt from the Feb. 3 episode of “Inside with Jen Psaki.”
When I was the spokesperson for the State Department, there was a reporter named Matt Lee from The Associated Press. Lee would grill me every single day. In fact, he was so tough on me that the state-run media in Russia turned him into a bit of a folk hero.
To be clear, he wasn’t pushing Russian talking points, not at all. The Russians just liked watching this American reporter be tough and combative. At some point, I actually asked Lee about that and his response, even years later, has stuck with me.
It was a reminder that even when reporters kept pushing and kept questioning, that was actually a sign of the relationship working.
He told me, whether the policy is good or not, whether it’s smart or not, the U.S. government has multiple briefings a day and gives journalists opportunities to ask hard questions. He said the Russians may applaud him for being tough on me, but they have none of that.
That’s something I thought a lot about when I was at the White House. It was a reminder that even when things were combative, even when reporters kept pushing and kept questioning, that was actually a sign of the relationship working.
When I later became White House press secretary, there were people who wondered why we allowed Fox News to remain in the briefing room and why I called on them every day. Well, one of the reasons is that in a functioning democracy, it’s important to talk to all different kinds of media. Engagement is the point. The willingness to disagree and to push back is the point.
With that in mind, I just want to draw your attention to something you might have missed in what has been an absolute avalanche of news.
On Friday, the Pentagon effectively removed several major news organizations from their office spaces in favor of some friendlier outlets.








