The Republicans’ debt-ceiling crisis tends to be a pretty straightforward hostage standoff. Both sides agree that piercing the debt ceiling would be disastrous, and one side is threatening to do it anyway unless its demands are met.
But there is another contingent — a group I call “default deniers” — that believes pushing the United States into default is just hunky dory. We heard from one of them, Rep. John Fleming (R-La.), just last week.
MSNBC’s Chris Matthews talked to another yesterday.
For those who can’t watch clips online, Matthews talked to Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.), who was terribly confused about the basics of the debt-ceiling fight he supports. After several awkward moments, the host asked the far-right congressman whether the U.S. defaulting on its debts matters. “Let me tell you what matters to the American people,” Perry said. “Trillion-dollar deficits unbridled with no plan to change it.”
That the United States isn’t running trillion-dollar deficits is another detail Perry doesn’t quite understand.
And then there was this gem in the New York Times:
Economists of all political persuasions have warned that a failure to raise the debt ceiling by the Treasury’s deadline of Oct. 17 could be catastrophic. The world economy’s faith in the safety of Treasury debt would be shaken for years. Interest rates could shoot up, and stock prices worldwide would most likely plummet.
“Economists, what have they been doing? They make all sorts of predictions,” said Representative John Fleming, Republican of Louisiana. “Many times they’re wrong, so I don’t think we should run government based on economists’ predictions.”
Oh my.
A couple of weeks ago, I made the case that debt-ceiling polls are useless because most Americans simply don’t understand the basics. Regular folks have no idea what the debt ceiling is, what default is, what bond markets are, or what the full faith and credit of the United States means, so polling on the subject tells us nothing.
But what happens when elected federal lawmakers — the same people who have a responsibility to pay the nation’s bills — are every bit as ignorant as confused constituents?








